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Reprinted
from the Guide’s July 20, 2012 News Features edition, with comments received then
and now.
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♪ 8) But, Do We Want to Find Life on Mars?
Sure, we love all the movies and science, but there's a lot more at stake
Sure, we love all the movies and science, but there's a lot more at stake
by Larry Wines
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[Astronaut
SALLY RIDE died of cancer just after this was originally published. The
Acoustic Americana Music Guide respectfully dedicates it to her memory and
pioneering legacy.]
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Art,
for over 100 years, mostly as sci-fi films, has been obsessed with the idea of
Martians.
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Hopes
ride high for Earth’s final mission to Mars, which lands August 5. They must,
since no funding is in the pipeline for anything to follow. Nothing else can go
there for years, if not decades. This time, the mission’s hopeful purpose is
addressing the question of finding life.
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But if
something else does live there, can we move-in and set-up shop?
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Sure,
we know what some of you are thinking: “Don’t ask Native American Indians or
native Hawai’ians, or any indigenous peoples whose technology was not capable
of facing that of the newcomer (i.e., invader), or any of the hundreds of
thousands who died from imported diseases for which they had no immunity.”
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Don’t
worry. We understand that genocidal dynamics of human population interactions
are different than encounters between unfamiliar organisms.
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Still,
this is not a science-fiction scenario. It’s real. NASA’s Mars Science
Laboratory, named “Curiosity,” is the last of the robotic Mohicans. The Obama
administration pulled the plug on the manned Orion program as the replacement
for the Space Shuttle, after the 1% enriched themselves at the expense of
everything and everyone else in the 2008 financial meltdown, and demands for
financial austerity set-in. And, of course, the do-nothing Congress allowed the
funding to run-out for the then-ongoing series of interplanetary robotic
probes.
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It’s
happened before, with Apollo’s veni, vidi, vici, that came and saw and
collected and left, never to return. It’s as if Columbus came home with a
potato and an ear of corn and nobody would ante-up to go back.
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The
dream of finding life “out there” beyond Earth is as old as humankind’s first
wonderings about the night sky. It fires our imagination. It’s still the one
discovery that could change everything. When SETI – the radio telescope Search
for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence – was threatened with being de-funded, a
popular uprising demanded a way to keep it going.
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That
spawned Carl Sagan’s novel and the 1997 Jodie Foster / Matthew McConaughey
movie, “Contact.”
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That’s
emblematic. It’s less about the success of Apollo and more about Hollywood.
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Art and
science are the shared province of innovators and dreamers and explorers. Both
use technology, but neither IS technology. Art and science are creative
quarters where dreamers dwell, the Valhalla from which others are inspired.
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The
late Carl Sagan became the post-Apollo rock star of space with the “Cosmos” TV
series, advocating that we ask and search and learn by going. The “Star Trek”
and “Star Wars” franchises made millions by combining Errol Flynn’s Robin Hood
with technogeeky robotic sidekicks and the mystique of whatever is out there to
be discovered – in the fantastic realm of color and music and light and the
unexpected. The bar scene in the first “Star Wars,” populated with strange
alien creatures, is among film’s most iconic creations, music and all.
Underlying is the enjoyable idea that somebody is out there, wondering if
somebody is over here, with the exciting prospects of meeting that unique
someone in, well, the familiar metaphor of a bar. It’s the ultimate crossroads
of human hope and longing for excitement that’s unknown and slightly dangerous.
Those movies were dangerously sexy. Exploration is dangerously sexy.
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Mars
holds a central place in all that. For over a hundred years, it was always Mars
that sent the alien invasion. In 1898, H.G. Wells’ “War of the Worlds” was
published. Orson Welles scared the hell out of people by dramatizing it as a
radio play in 1938. George Pal’s 1953 film version won an Oscar and remains a
classic. And, as recently as 2005, Steven Spielberg employed Tom Cruise, Dakota
Fanning, and Tim Robbins in yet another film remake.
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It’s a
unique cultural history. Despite our scientific discoveries, invaders from Mars
still don’t seem unbelievable, even today. Astronomers of another time saw
canals on Mars, starting with Schiaparelli in 1877 – well, he labeled features
he saw as “canali,” which means “channels” in Italian. English-speakers, being
ethnocentric, read that as canals. In the 1890s, watery canals, like today’s
California Aqueduct on steroids, became Percival Lowell’s obsession. He
convinced himself they were dug by a Martian civilization that needed to get
melt water from polar icecaps to the planet’s arid central regions. He drew
elaborate maps of them.
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Photographs
from Mariner spacecraft in the ’60s found no canals, though the massive Valles
Marinaris, as big as 100 Grand Canyons, aligns with a small segment of what
people thought they saw through telescopes. Or rather, what they still see –
astronomers say the mysterious optical illusion of an angular network of lines
can indeed be seen when the light is right.
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Point
is, we have always been intrigued with finding life on Mars. More than anywhere
else.
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In
1976, NASA’s pair of Viking landers brought rudimentary laboratories to test
for life. Their investigations were inconclusive. After a long absence, the
tiny Mars “Sojourner” became Earth’s first mobile explorer of another planet in
1997. Additional ambulatory probes followed.
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A
couple of key probes were lost. Mars and the journey to reach it notoriously
eats spacecraft. Still, gleaming red in the night sky, it maintains its Sirens’
call.
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Those
probes over the past 15 years have made people believe again. There’s even a
must-see YouTube video depicting the journey of a Mars Exploration Rover
(“Spirit” or “Opportunity”) splendidly choreographed to Holst’s “The Planets.”
It’s as effective as any John Williams’ space-epic film score, though the
viewer comments are inane, insipid, silly, crude and stupid. It’s at http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzZWOGcdC_PI&v=zZWOGcdC_PI&gl=US
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Web
ignoramuses aside, we have a history of wanting
to find life on Mars. We aren’t even pursuing more likely places to find life,
like the oceanic moons of Jupiter and Saturn. That really says something.
Beneath its icy crust, Jupiter’s moon Europa has more liquid water than we have
on Earth; Saturn’s moon Enceladus is similar, and there may be similar water
worlds orbiting the two gas giants. Even Saturn’s cryogenically cold moon
Titan, with its blue skies and liquid methane rainstorms and lakes and rivers,
seems to have a thick water layer beneath its surface, kept liquid by internal
heat and pressure.
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Our
Earth reckonings tell us that water is essential for life. Mars is too dry and
too cold, with atmospheric pressure insufficient to enable liquid water to
stick around on its surface. So we get excited every time we find evidence of
water, past or present, anywhere on Mars.
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But do
we really want to find life on
Mars?
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If we
find life there, is it safe and ethical to keep going back?
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Safe
and ethical are different, with an overlap. “Safe” includes preventing contact
with organisms that may be toxic to one another. They could kill us – or we,
them.
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Despite
deadly solar and cosmic radiation reaching its surface through a thin
atmosphere and lack of a protective magnetic field, of all the planets of the
Solar System, Mars is the only world besides our own that offers an obvious
home for human settlement.
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Still,
colonizing Mars would be fraught with constant challenges and risks. It’s far
worse than not going outside without your sunscreen. It’s much worse than
anything Woody Guthrie experienced in the Dustbowl, since Martian dust storms
last for months and the blown dust is ten times finer than talcum powder.
Particles that tiny could wreck every kind of equipment and pressure seal and
penetrate and short-out microcircuits. It’s a brutal environment.
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Overcoming
those challenges often comes down to one grand idea: there is very active
advocacy for terraforming Mars – to make it hospitable and Earth-like.
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A
greenhouse effect, so disastrous if increased here, is just what Mars needs,
and we certainly know how to induce it. Mars’ gravity, about one-third Earth’s,
is sufficient to hold onto an atmosphere made thick enough to get future
settlers out of pressurized space suits. The expected volumes of frozen water
beneath the surface could sustain Earthlike life, eventually enabling clouds
and rain. Dry lake and ocean basins might again hold water. And there are ideas
about how to shield the surface from all that radiation.
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If the
Red Planet is a dead planet, sterile like the Moon, then why not? Imagine the
travel posters your great-great-great grandkids could see: Ski Olympus Mons,
the Solar System’s highest mountain! Vacation on the red-sand beaches of the
Martian Riviera! Red Planet Red Wine, on the Tholian Orchards Taste Tour…
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But
what if we find life there?
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That’s
where ethics become the inescapable absolute.
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Put the
shoe on the other foot. Would we consider bringing alien life to Earth if it
was toxic to our planet’s indigenously evolved life forms? Even if not toxic,
would it affect life here? Even with assurances that technology could enable
biological containment to keep it out of our ecosystem, could we justify the
risk?
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If
there is life on Mars, however primitive, even as a faint coloration on the
underside of a rock, can we introduce our own alien life to its environment,
where it developed, where it lives? Are we arrogant enough to believe that Mars
is a dying world, and whatever may be hanging-on is simply a diminishing
remnant of a planetary ecosystem that is on its way out, anyway?
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There
is evidence that Mars experiences warmer, wetter cycles and colder, drier ones,
all on a scale of millions of years. Dare we risk altering or destroying the
evolution of life on Mars?
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Once
again, art got there first. It’s what Gene Roddenberry identified as Star
Trek’s Prime Directive: you don’t mess with other life, elsewhere, unless it
invites you to come in.
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Even
visiting risks contamination. At the end of their missions, the first Apollo
astronauts exited their spacecraft in BIGs – Biological Isolation Garments –
and spent time in a hermetically-sealed Airstream trailer, all to protect the
rest of us from any “bugs” they may have brought back from the airless moon.
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Travel
times to and from Mars are from six months to a year, each way. Presumably,
astronauts would be the first to know if something from Mars had made them
sick. But who is to know if something from Earth had infected Mars?
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It’s
relatively easy to sterilize robotic spacecraft before we launch them.
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But
when humans go, it’s tricky and risky and uncertain. And the scale of cosmic
history makes it mysterious. There are even hypotheses that say life from Mars
may have “seeded” Earth. That was the premise of the classic 1967
science-fiction movie, “5 Million Years to Earth,” and it reappeared in
“Mission to Mars,” a film that made $110 million in 2000. Scientists envision
any cosmic Johnny Appleseed incidents as something far less dramatic than
either film. Still, the spread of life across space is a field of scientific
inquiry, called panspermia.
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The
famous “Martian Meteorite,” ALH 84001, found on the ice in Antarctica, is
unquestionably from the Red Planet, determined by its chemical signature. It
contains organic molecules and maybe fossils of life. In the earlier solar
system, lots of things were bumping into each other, and materials were
exchanged rather freely. If Mars had developed life at that time – it had
oceans in its past – then the questions become profound.
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Perhaps
material blasted into space from a meteor or asteroid impact on Mars could have
brought not just chunks of Martian rock, but the building blocks of life, or
even simple cellular organisms, to Earth. Could life here have originated out
there? Specifically, next door, on Mars? Scientists take that question
seriously.
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Okay,
so nature may have cross-pollinated the planets.
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But is
it okay for us to do it?
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It’s a
question for all of humanity. For an all-too-brief time in the mid-00s, it
appeared a new U.S.-Russian space race was taking shape, aimed at Mars. Russian
space company Energia is developing Hnunep – “Clipper” – a minimalist space
shuttle with stubby wings and plenty of shielding from radiation. Though
designed for earth orbit, its builders envision going farther, as the essential
crew vehicle to take cosmonauts to Mars and return them to Earth.
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In
America, the plug has been pulled on development of manned space vehicles with
that kind of capability. Space X currently leads a small field of competitors
vying for NASA contracts to privately transport astronauts to the International
Space Station. No prize money has been offered to the private sector even to
take us back to the Moon, much less to Mars.
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But
that’s not the whole story. The European Space Agency (ESA) is still funding
technology to develop a crew-carrying Mars spacecraft. And the Chinese, anxious
to gain world prominence following the darkness of Mao’s Cultural Revolution,
have announced their intention of building a lunar base and going to Mars, both
on a rapid timetable.
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Will
Mars be “Claimed,” and what would that mean for life on Mars?
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In
1967, when no one knew who would win the space race to the Moon, an
international treaty prohibited any nation from claiming the Moon for itself.
It was signed by the US, the USSR, and the UK, but not by China. The treaty
language is supposed to apply to “any celestial body,” to prevent the kind of
thing that happened with sovereign colonial empires in the Americas after 1492.
But no specific treaty exists for Mars. Could the first ones there plant a flag
and claim it as part of their national territory? Supposedly not, but it
remains uncertain and may depend on who gets there first.
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In
1997, three Yemenis sued NASA for trespassing on Mars with the “Sojourner” /
“Pathfinder” mission lander. But that crazy claim was based on the assertion by
the plaintiffs that they had inherited Mars 3,000 years earlier.
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If
claiming Mars, or a piece of it, deteriorates to the level of courts and
lawyers, the ethical absolutes are gone. It will just be a question of how much
toxic interaction will occur and how many alien species will be recklessly
altered or exterminated, not whether it will be prevented.
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Moreover,
there’s Robert Zubrin, everybody’s favorite advocate for making us Martians. He
says in his landmark 1996 book, “The Case for Mars,” that we should be selling
Martian real estate as a means of financing exploration. There’s as much land
on Mars as the amount of land not covered by water on Earth.
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Even at
$10 an acre, selling Martian land would raise $358 billion, enough for several
missions with crewed landings, says Zubrin. It wouldn’t be the first time that
people spent lavishly on questionable “property” – just look at the rush and
rancor over the IPO for Facebook stock, pieces of an ethereal entity that doesn’t
actually exist in any real sense.
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Zubrin
is the guy most likely to be taken seriously. He formulated the plan for “Mars
Direct,” an approach that held up to ridicule NASA’s needlessly lavish,
horrendously expensive, Bush-41-era “sometime-next-century” mission profile.
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Much of
the thinking about Mars spacecraft recently attributed to filmmaker James
Cameron originated with Zubrin. And in the absence of a clear set of national
space priorities, innovative thinkers like those two are prominent. And there
are the Rutan brothers with their Scaled Composites company’s “Spaceship One”
that won the X Prize for the first privately-funded space flight in 2004 (the
editor was there). More recently, factor-in spacecraft manufacturers like Elon
Musk of Space X, who has docked his new cargo ship at the International Space
Station, and there’s Richard Branson of Virgin Galactic, whose energy is
boundless. These are the ones who may drive the agenda from a sense of
entrepreneurial adventure capitalism, rather than cautious science. That’s new,
and engenders new implications.
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Given
our society, our economic system, and the way things work, how cautious can we
afford to be? The reason people are not on the way to Mars right now is not
technological. It is financial and political.
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President
Obama set a challenge to get astronauts to Mars by 2030, but it simply isn’t
credible. No money has been appropriated to get things started.
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In
American government, long-term planning is four years. Try anything beyond
that, and paralysis sets-in. Want to mine untold riches from the asteroid belt?
Okay, if you can outsource construction of the spacecraft to build it cheap,
then get there and bring back the goods in the first quarter of FY 2013. Huge
bonus and stock options if you can, ostracism and permanent unemployment if you
fail.
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The
objective dangers of interplanetary space exploration don’t even enter the
discussion. Musk and Branson aside, the dialog, where there is one, is only
about a costs-benefits analysis on a strict timeline, with exorbitant returns
for investors and obscene bonuses and early bailout packages for executives –
and building the hardware wherever it can be cheaply outsourced.
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If you
advocate spending to go somewhere, results better be forthcoming. That has
specific implications. Our system does not look promising for protecting
indigenous alien life. Similarly, if the Chinese decide to go to Mars, they are
in part motivated by a national ego that will demand fulfillment of stated
goals.
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It’s all
crazy, because we could be developing and building spacecraft instead of
military hardware, employing our math and science grads and encouraging others
to study those majors, and employing an industrial manufacturing base once
again. Plus, civilian space technology, by law, spins-off across the economy,
instead of being classified like military tech.
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All
those are strong economic arguments. They could take the driver’s seat, even if
we start interfering with alien life.
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Perhaps
we, as a species, are not evolved enough ethically and morally to take our
problems to other worlds. Or perhaps, as in Arthur C. Clarke’s visionary “2001:
A Space Odyssey,” the evolution of humans from apes to astronauts to angelic
beings is impossible unless we go.
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If “Curiosity,”
the final and most advanced and capable Mars probe we have ever sent, finds
life out there after it lands August 5th, all these questions will instantly
become the most profound ones we have ever faced as a species. And no doubt, it
will take the artists to make society face the ethical issues the politicians
and private sector capitalists will rush to ignore.
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So,
what’s the best outcome? How about this: NASA’s Volkswagen-sized robotic
“Curiosity” rover picks up a rock, turns it over, and finds a beautiful,
textbook-specimen fossil impression. Something like a three-inch-long fish. The
perfect image is consistent from many camera angles and in different light. No
question it’s a fossil. Aquatic vertebrate, a creature that had obvious means
of locomotion, eyes to see, and a mouth to eat whatever else was once there.
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Then,
another rock is overturned, and there’s a perfect fossilized plant, something
akin to a small palm frond. Maybe it grew underwater. Maybe it ingested the
carbon dioxide atmosphere and swayed in the breeze along the shore.
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But
sample after sample – soil, sand, rock, dust, red, orange, white, black – is
processed in the on-board lab, and there is nothing alive on Mars. Zip. Nada.
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Of
course, discoveries of dramatic fossils on Mars beyond the inconclusive ALH
84001 meteorite would provoke the creative imagination, and Congress would
finally fund a real Mars program to beat everyone else there. And then (we
hope) mission after mission continues to dig-up abundant fossils and absolutely
nothing still alive.
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That
what would enable us to send people and to stay. Only the certainty that
nothing is alive on Mars would make it okay to send our own life forms there,
to stay and become spacefarers.
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Best of
all, this scenario would teach us that it’s possible for a planet with
abundant, flourishing life to die. That would give us pause. That would make us
appreciate this fragile blue ball on which we dwell. It would give us the
evolved perspective to go forth elsewhere while being more thoughtful, more
responsible, stewards here. That would be beautiful.
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It’s
not a casual flight of fantasy. We need that kind of perspective before we land
on Jupiter’s moons. We need it before we bore through the ice crust of Europa
for a submarine voyage in its vast ocean, before we meet whatever calls that
salt sea its home, and hear it sing its sea chanteys and voice its longings,
and share our songs of the green, terrestrial Earth.
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There’s
a lot available online about NASA’s Curiosity lander that touches-down at 10:31
pm (Pacific) on August 5. It’s recommended you download now, because the server
will likely be overloaded as the landing time approaches. You can even download
a landing simulation game for X-Box.
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Here
are some key urls:
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Info on
a variety of activities, including virtual landing programs, are at http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/participate.
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You can
follow the mission on Facebook at www.facebook.com/marscuriosity
and on
Twitter at www.twitter.com/marscuriosity.
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A very full version of ways to
play Martian is available at www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-205&cid=release_2012-205.
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And
the new NASA 3-D app that gives you the ability to experience robotic space
travel is at www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-202&cid=release_2012-202.
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Re: ♪ 8)
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Everyone
left our Mars Party a couple hours ago. I m still too keyed up to go sleep and I’m
still on the NASA feed hoping for more pictures. Our party was because of what you wrote a
couple weeks ago. I started sharing with friends. We all started visiting the links [in that
story]. Next thing we planned a Mars Party.
After the landing celebration during the
wait for first pictures, we read your Mars story out loud because some of the
people hadn’t read it before. Some were
stunned at things like the ice covered oceans on moons of Jupiter and stuff and
didn’t believe it till they went online and started checking. Some people who know you from music were just
amazed at all the things you know about THIS!! Everybody liked your writing, the mix of
explaining things so we can understand and tying to all the movies with Mars,
and the poetic way you write about parts of it all. I always read your site for the music news but
I hope you keep reporting on things like this!!
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Re: ♪ 8)
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Do you
work on space stuff or something? Either that or you know how to find lots of
things and tie tham all together.
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Re: ♪ 8)
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I liked
it that you went back and dedicated this to Sally Ride when she died. As the
first woman astronaut in space, she inspired me as a kid. I thought I was going
to Mars. I wish somebody could, to inspire a whole new upcoming bunch of kids.
- Jill
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Evert
time I was ready to stop reading because of all the techno space parts you said
something with such style and poetic license that you kept me there. Nasa
should hire you!!! Ot maybe you already have a day job there or something? [Editor: No, but we’d like to!]
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Re: ♪ 8)
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Wow that
is thought provoking. I never thought of any of those things. Other planets
were always going to be like Star Trek, green babes, plenty of strange things
to eat, no worries. Bio-contamination from another world, that world being
Earth? I’m sure JPL was careful with the spacecraft that’s about to land, but
people are essentially germ-ridden colonies of bio-invasion. Lots to consider.
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I read
the whole thing and it was much longer than anything I ever read since college.
Enjoyed it too. Now that Mars landing will mean something to me when it
happens. Thanks. - Luke
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I liked
how you got into our culture being so intertwined with our fantasies of Mars.
I’d still like to see some little guy pop up and clean the camera lens on the
lander.
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I’ve
seen a couple of those movies. I didn’t realize there were so many. The next
one needs to be a documentary of when we actually go there. Let’s do something!
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“Art and
science are the shared province of innovators and dreamers and explorers. Both
use technology, but neither IS technology. Art and science are creative
quarters where dreamers dwell, the Valhalla from which others are inspired.”
I printed that out big and have it on my wall. I admit I didn’t believe you wrote that. It’s wonderfully profound. I googled it and expected to find that it was Carl Sagan or Einstein. But it really was you, wasn’t it? NASA should hire you to fire people up! That belongs in a stone inscription! You’ve got ME ready to go to Mars, as long as I can bring my guitar!
I printed that out big and have it on my wall. I admit I didn’t believe you wrote that. It’s wonderfully profound. I googled it and expected to find that it was Carl Sagan or Einstein. But it really was you, wasn’t it? NASA should hire you to fire people up! That belongs in a stone inscription! You’ve got ME ready to go to Mars, as long as I can bring my guitar!
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NASA
should re-post this to its website and send it to every member of that useless
Congress. But Congress would just focus on the part about staying away rather
than risk interfering with life, and not bother to find out first if anything
is alive on Mars.
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The
Martians should be us! But u r correct about not f---g with them if they r
already there. Same with life on Europa. But we will never know if we do not
go!!!
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We
really are screwed, aren’t we? No space suits and no place to go. When the big
asteroid is sighted on its way to clobber earth on December 21st, we have no
rockets to blow it up or spacecraft to take us anywhere else. Maybe that’s what
happened to all the Martians. We could change the title to “But, Do We Want to
Find Life on Earth?”
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Your
imagery is really something. I never would have imagined someone could evoke
characters based on Errol Flynn’s Robin Hood experiencing adventures with “technogeeky
robotic sidekicks” as the reason Star Trek and Star Wars worked, and the
essential reason why space exploration could catch fire again. You’re right
about Hollywood being more important than Apollo in forming our impressions of
space. We should send Spielberg and Michael Moore up if we want to get people
interested in space again. Oh, wait. We can’t. We don’t have a way to send
anybody up anymore, do we?
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You
talked about movies, and this was like watching a movie. All the history with
all the robot rovers. The dust storms bigger than the ones Woody saw. Then, the
future, and the robotic arm turning over a rock and finding a big fossil of a
Martian fish, but no test ever finds anything that’s still alive on Mars.
Brilliant. The fun fantasies don’t end with the canals after all, do they?
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All
those resources and links and the Mars landing game download were just what my
kids needed during summer vacation. More important to me, I was able to have a
discussion with them about the issues you raise about ethics, and when
exploration risks becoming alien invasion that alters development of life in
another ecosystem (or Marcosystem?) I am resigned that I will not live long
enough to see us land on anything more exotic than the airport, but I hope my
kids will. I’d like to think I’ve already got them started on the kinds of
things they need to think about along with the exciting idea that they could
change the world to care about reaching out without hurting other living
creatures.
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Sorry,
but the idea of waltzing around on Mars just doesn’t do it for me. I am a
biology major, so your discussion of invasive species in the context of
exobiology was worthwhile and I used it as a topic in a discussion group. We
concluded that it’s the best reason not to go. But I’m more concerned with
invasive species that wreak havoc by being transported from one part of the
earth to another. That will cause mass famine way before any bugs from Mars
could.
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That
video of a Mars landing is the best digital animation I have ever seen. I had never heard Holst’s The Planets. It was brilliant to use that as the video
soundtrack. Thanks for including
it! I never would have found any of
this. I’m into it now and plan to watch
the rover land August 5.
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People
might think you wrote about how science and art have interacted where our
dreams about Mars are concerned. What you really wrote about is our economic
system and how it is predisposed to cause widespread ruin so a few can make
profits. I appreciate that you show two paths: the likely one, where the
profiteers would murder Martian life if they’ve already invested a lot before
they find it. And the other one, showing how we can spend money on space and
revitalize our economy. But wouldn’t doing the second lead us to the horror of
the first? You cover all the conundrums but that one.
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Forget
Mars, let’s go to Europa and Enceladus! I had never even heard of those moons
before I read about them in your Mars story. More liquid water on Europa than
on all of earth? I start singing “Hoo-ee, Baby, Don’t you want to go on a sea
cruise” everytime I think of that!
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Why in
the hell aren’t we teaching science in school the way you write about it? If
our kids learn all this stuff, there would be no stopping them from exploring the
universe. You have a knack for explaining things so any fool (like me) can
understand them and get excited about them.
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7) Momentous History that Changed
Everything, Until We Forgot it (July
20, 2012 NEWS FEATURES edition)
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I grew up
with the space program. It felt like we would live in a future where everything
was possible. What you said has me missing that feeling and wishing for that
future that we never got. I guess all the money was wasted in Vietnam then,
just like it’s being wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan now.
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“Neil
Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are as distant as Marco Polo or Leif Ericson or Lewis
and Clark.” Ouch. No wonder my kids think I’m a dinosaur who grew up without
indoor plumbing.
Thing is, we were more advanced then in ways that mattered than we are now.
“If anyone would look up from their myopic infatuation with narcissistic tech that does nothing for advancing discovery or understanding for humankind.” I had never thought of things that way but you are right and you express it with such poignancy.
“…myopic infatuation with narcissistic tech…” Watching my kids proves that is true. But do I do any better - “advancing discovery or understanding for humankind”? No. Double ouch.
I grew up when things happened, when we seemed always to get things done, so many things that we took it all for granted. How terribly sad it is all gone, that “MOMENTOUS HISTORY THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING, UNTIL WE FORGOT IT.”
Thing is, we were more advanced then in ways that mattered than we are now.
“If anyone would look up from their myopic infatuation with narcissistic tech that does nothing for advancing discovery or understanding for humankind.” I had never thought of things that way but you are right and you express it with such poignancy.
“…myopic infatuation with narcissistic tech…” Watching my kids proves that is true. But do I do any better - “advancing discovery or understanding for humankind”? No. Double ouch.
I grew up when things happened, when we seemed always to get things done, so many things that we took it all for granted. How terribly sad it is all gone, that “MOMENTOUS HISTORY THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING, UNTIL WE FORGOT IT.”
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First,
you are right that people my age (I am 24) see your moon travel days as olden
days.
Second, how did we ever come to think of space exploration as part of the past instead of part of the future? Because your generation stopped spending money to keep it going for us. It was all gone long before we got there.
Second, how did we ever come to think of space exploration as part of the past instead of part of the future? Because your generation stopped spending money to keep it going for us. It was all gone long before we got there.
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My
generation, as people and as artists, really don’t think about space history.
We know we aren’t going anywhere and the planet is so screwed up that it
requires more attention than we are giving it just to save us from climate
catastrophe.
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I hope
you don’t go with Newt to his moon base. We can’t afford to lose you. Newt yes,
but not you :-}
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You
wrote something once about how we should be building radio telescopes on the
far side of the moon where they would be 100% shielded from RF interference by
the moon itself--shielded from all our interfering noise on earth. That
intrigued the hell out of me. Why isn’t NASA even talking about that? It sounds
like a solid reason to go back to the moon as a place to listen to whatever is
going on “out there.” Maybe we would have a real chance to hear alien
civilizations. There’s a good place for your kickstarter space program.
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